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Journal Entry: Thu Jan 31, 2013, 1:34 PM
updated: 1/31
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As surely as a MLP pic will make the front page of deviantArt, we have another school shooting. Wasn't there one a few days ago too? One person died, two injured? They're so common now, I can't even remember. Unless a half-dozen people or some children are killed though, they're just another minor headline next to something about American Idol or another politician in hot water for unethical behavior.

What's it going to take to pound some basic common sense into those who oppose common sense gun reform? Probably a lot, considering 1 in 4 of my fellow Americans believe God decides the outcome of football games.  ;)


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:iconnashbolt:
people are confused and we're not doing anyhting about it.
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*SnowSultan Feb 8, 2013   Digital Artist
I agree, there's too much misinformation and fear around this issue.
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~BrotherHades Feb 1, 2013  Professional General Artist
Let's not forget that most of the background checks are more for criminal purposes to make sure felons that are banned from owning weapons can't get them. Last I knew background checks and the rights of gun ownership being stripped does not take into account mental illness, which considering that most of the school shooters seem to be revealed as suffering from mental illness. More effort should be looked into either taking away the right of the mentally ill to own guns or better funding for wellness programs and monitoring of those with mental illness. But the people in Washington seem to think it is just easier to try to ban certain types of guns, certain magazine sizes and that will fix the problem, the only thing the current Feinstein Ban that has been proposed does is make it so a shooter will have to carry more magazines and reload more often. It is not going to cut down on any violence because it does not address the mental health part of the equation which is more of the underlying cause of gun violence in the first place, people need to learn to cope with things better and not decide to go kill somebody when they feel slighted or wronged in some way. All the gun does in these cases is make it easier for the mentally unhinged person to kill another person, if the will is there to do harm to others then a way will be found whether a gun, a homemade bomb, a toothbrush, if the will is there almost anything can be turned into a deadly weapon, so if we start with banning or limiting the types of guns because they are or can be turned into weapons rather than helping those in need. Then where does the banning of things end. Will we eventually see toothbrushes or high strength fishing line banned since both can, in a pinch, be turned into weapons. Or do we need to try to fix the root of the problem and better educate, identify, and help those with mental illness to cope with things in a non violent manner.
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*SnowSultan Feb 1, 2013   Digital Artist
You and I aren't going to agree much on this topic, but I'd still like to have an intelligent discussion. ;)


"Last I knew background checks and the rights of gun ownership being stripped "

What rights have been stripped? If you mean a potential ban on semi-automatics and high capacity clips, then OK (which I want, but I understand why some don't).

I want mental health improved too, but the same politicians who don't want any new gun laws also are happy to cut funding for mental health (they're about to do it today in Louisiana for at-risk youth). There's also the whole issue of determining who is mentally unfit and when they're deemed unfit - if you go to a therapist for depression, are you automatically put on a "no-gun" list? Does that mean that anyone else who shares the same home cannot own a gun? It's really a thorny issue and much more complicated than "just lock up the crazy people" like the pro-gun lobby is pushing.


"Will we eventually see toothbrushes or high strength fishing line banned since both can, in a pinch, be turned into weapons"

This argument is used all the time by pro-gun supporters and frankly, it's ridiculous. NO ONE is going to kill a dozen people with fishing line. They keep saying things like "cars kill people so if we ban guns, we need to ban cars", but a car's primary function - the reason it exists - is not to kill. Neither are baseball bats, candlesticks, or even kitchen knives; they were all designed to provide utilitarian functions. A gun's primary function is to be a weapon, a projectile-firing device used to kill (animal or human). Everything else that a gun is used for (target shooting, home protection) stems from that basic function.

I can certainly agree with you on working more with mentally ill people and preventing them from resorting to violence to solve their issues though, no question there. :) Thanks very much for your thoughts, I appreciate them.
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~BrotherHades Feb 2, 2013  Professional General Artist
I do not see how we won't agree, other than taking things out of context.

The rights being stripped I was referring to is that most states already take the rights to own guns and to even vote for that matter away if you are a convicted felon and many are pushing that the same should be done for those diagnosed with mental illness in regards to the guns at least. Though the question then is at what severity is the threshold set, do we just take away guns from the severely mentally ill or do we take them away from anyone that suffers from depression or PTSD. Since according to some statistics it could mean that 49% of the citizenry could lose their 2nd Amendment Rights depending on the threshold of severity that is used if the mentally ill have the right to own guns stripped.


The toothbrushes and fishing line part was just looking toward where does the insanity end once it has started. After Columbine many things that had been previously seen as harmless were banned from schools all across the country because they could possibly be used as weapons, I was just ruminating that if we start down a path of banning things where does it end, yes guns are made as a weapon and purposed for killing, but if you look at it so were many tools that are used in everyday life like knives that now serve a dual purpose but even those are regulated in a lot of states as to size of blade that is legal to own and use, if anything with a larger blade is purchased it is legal only for display.


As for the Feinstien gun ban the assault rifle part I support, as I do not see the need for the common citizen to own a rifle designed for military usage. However the "high capacity" magazine definition they are using is a joke as it is any weapon or magazine over ten rounds capacity, which means a lot of hand guns, and a decent amount of shotguns can now fall into the category of being banned, unless the manufacturers are forced to create smaller magazine capacities, most of the handguns other than revolvers average a 10-15 round magazine. They point out that there are 90+ guns that will be illegal if they pass it. And not all of those weapons on the list are Assault Rifles. If the bill is written as semi-automatic weapons as being banned than it would be even worse as just about all guns except muzzle loaders, pump action shotguns, and bolt action rifles fall under that category. Since semi-auto means that the mechanism of the gun runs through the complete process of chambering the round, firing the round, and ejecting spent shell casings as quickly as it takes to pull the trigger and then the trigger to reset to firing position.


Personally I don't own a gun and am not sure I ever would, I know how to shoot and can hit a target if needed. However, I am largely a peaceful person so I do not see the need to own a gun, even for hunting. The only hunting I do is going out in nature with my camera looking to shoot the wildlife along the nature trails around here.

I am not Pro-Gun or Anti-Gun. I am however opposed to Government trying to change the laws because it suits them or wins them political favor in moments of crisis. Then the citizenry has to deal with the laws passed because of some egregious event until they either get overturned, which takes a hell of a long time, or they just stay on the books forever no matter how stupid the law is or how poorly written it was. The "Orphan Works Act" being a perfect example of a law that was too poorly written for it's own good, not to mention PIPA, and SOPA as well. They may all have had good points in them but the way they were written the negatives outweighed anything positive in the bills.
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*SnowSultan Feb 3, 2013   Digital Artist
You've probably put more thought into this topic than most of the people arguing on either side of it. :) And yes, I really can't disagree with most of the things you said here. I don't know if the assault weapons ban bill mentions rate of fire, that might exclude the handguns you mention if it does. I'm glad you mentioned all of the things that you did here because it's a good example of how people who at first glance might appear to be on opposite sides of an issue actually agree on more than they might expect.

Thanks again!
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~BrotherHades Feb 4, 2013  Professional General Artist
You're welcome, so far all I can find is a summary of the bill online not the entire bill but even then the wording is left up to interpretation

Summary boils down to it banning

120 specifically named firearms, but it does not include the list.

Certain other semi-automatic rifles, shotguns, and handguns that can accept a detachable magazine and has one other military characteristic. Then does not define what constitutes a military characteristic.

Semi-automatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than ten rounds.


I do know that AR-15 and AK-47 and the various clones are on the list of 120 specifically named models, which on those it does not bother me since like I have said I do not see the need for the average citizen to have a rifle built for military usage.

There is a clause that grandfathers in any weapons purchased before the ban goes into effect as still staying legal, but they then could not be sold or even handed down to a child without it being an illegal transfer.


The other odd part is that the ban exempts those in the government from having to follow the ban, I don't know if this was written in there to keep the agencies like the CIA, the military, and Secret Service well armed or if it is a loophole so the senators themselves can get what they want still. I would think that the government and police organizations were already exempt since even during the previous ban the military kept their supplies of M-16s and police had their supplies of M4 style rifles for S.W.A.T. teams to use.

I wish I could get a look at the entire bill since that would have the full list of guns as well as the definition of military characteristics, but so far at least I have not been able to find it.
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*SnowSultan Feb 6, 2013   Digital Artist
It doesn't look like anyone expects the ban to pass now anyway, they're mainly trying for the universal background checks. That'd be a start I guess.
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~BrotherHades Feb 7, 2013  Professional General Artist
I have no problem with them closing the gun show loophole as it is. Though it could make it impossible for legal private sales or even passing a gun down to a child depending on how they word the law.
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~Veronas Jan 31, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm sure it's because common sense hasn't entered gun reform yet.
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